Corbin Fisher: Conrad Submits To Elian

CA says:

I wonder how many WB readers voted for Trump…how many gay men in general. I’m starting to draw the conclusion that as white gay men, we likely followed the trend of our geographic communities rather than the majority of the vocal out LGBT community.

Jasper Taft says:

I don’t feel sorry for them. Not in the least. In regards to Kanye, he doesn’t need to resort to this kind of thing. He has millions upon millions like a lot of celebrities, and doesn’t NEED to do this. He’s only doing it because he’s an attention whore, just like his wife and just like Trump. They always have been and always will be. And to that extent, it’s why I also don’t feel sorry for people like Tim Allen and Roseanne Barr. These are people who have been in the industry for decades, made tons of money, have had tons of success, and are STILL, *to this day*, trying to play the part of the victim, going out there and peddling themselves as working class, everyday Americans who feel cheated against, when in reality, they couldn’t be further removed from that group if they tried. Every single celebrity I have mentioned in this paragraph is worthless. All of them. And if I woke up tomorrow and every single one of them was dead, I couldn’t care less.

Kanye West is a shock celebrity who has built his entire brand on being a completely obnoxious bully and is only still garnering news coverage because nobody has stood up to him. Not even Bush. If someone would grow a pair and stand up to him, he would go away like the little child that he is.

Eventually turn on them? That happened a long time ago. We’re talking about a group of people where a fair number of them are white supremacists who support a man who believes in white supremacy and that some of them are “good people”. We’re talking about a group of people who still want the Confederate Flag flown in state capitals. Sure, these people might vote for Tim Scott, but that’s only because most of these same people would vote for Republicans if the Republican ticket was Hitler/Satan and the Democratic ticket was God/Jesus.

I have friends that are Republicans. I have family that are Republicans. But I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that there isn’t a single day that goes by where I want to rip them for being so stupid. Because it’s their votes that WE are living a nightmare. One of my teachers in Elementary school in the 80’s said that people got too worked up about elections (this was way before things became hyper–polarized like they are now) because, in the long run, whoever is President really won’t affect your life. And in that day in age, it was probably true. But that’s not the case now. Because of their votes, their hatred, a totally incompetent, morally bankrupt, completely inexperienced scumbag is the “leader” of our country.

How are we supposed to feel when they are out there in huge numbers wanting people deported, our candidate imprisoned? How are we supposed to feel when they would love nothing more than stripping away every single right LGBT Americans have been afforded? It’s hard to not to have some contempt for these people. But what really gets under my skins is how dense these people are? Voting for the greedy multi-billionaire who has given next to nothing to charity because they think he is magically going to improve their lives? Dense doesn’t begin to describe these people.

Jasper Taft says:

I think you’re trying to make Kanye out to be some sort of combination of loner/nerdy teenager with no friends in high school. This man (for reasons I cannot understand) has millions of fans. He doesn’t need any more acceptance. Again, as I stated earlier, he doesn’t need to do this. The only reason he is doing this is so that he can stir the pot some more, because that’s what potstirrers enjoy doing. And get some more attention in the process.

I didn’t wish death on the people I mentioned. I merely stated I couldn’t care less if they did die. And that is the truth. I don’t care. I haven’t met any of them personally so their death wouldn’t affect me.

And on that note, that is all I am saying about Kanye. He is not an important enough figure in my world for me to continue talking about him.

I’m not mad at you because it sounds like you have good intentions, but I think you are mostly wasting your time. We live in a society where changing one’s mind or expressing uncertainty is a sign of weakness, so that’s why most people never do it. People would rather defend their actions til the day they die (even when their mistakes are constantly shoved in their face) rather than admit they were wrong. I used to frequent a true crime board. I would generally take the facts of the case, analyze them in my mind, and then form the likeliest conclusion. I would constantly find myself at odds with posters whose theories ranged from the highly improbable to the nearly impossible to conspiracy theories. No matter how many facts, logic and what have you you would throw at these people, they would stick to their batshit crazy theories because they were convinced *they* were correct and the other side was lying/mistaken. And then one day, it all made *sense*, in a way. These same people would go on and write about how the Clinton Body Count was real, and that Bill, Hillary and their assorted relatives were responsible for killing dozens, maybe hundreds of people. The people that believe this are beyond help. They are too far gone. They believe gays are evil because God said so. You can tell them that they didn’t personally hear that God said that, or prove that He even exists, or has ever existed. You can tell them that all day. But it won’t do any good.

Personally, I don’t understand it. It doesn’t bother me at all to admit when I have been wrong and/or apologize. I apologized to someone here on WB just a few days ago. When Pascal (I think that’s what his name is) pretty much proved me wrong on something, I actually admitted it publicly. It doesn’t bother me at all. But for some reason, a lot of people believe that if you are wrong and admit it or you change your mind, you’re a coward.

Jasper Taft says:

I won’t argue with any of that. But I would offer that being mental, or having mental illness doesn’t excuse his behavior. He’s an adult. He knows right from wrong.

I don’t mean to keep inserting true crime into an area in which it really doesn’t belong, but look at how many defense lawyers push an insanity argument. “My client is insane!” Well yeah, if he murders someone, he’s got mental problems. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t know right from wrong. Most murderers had some childhood trauma that effected them tremendously. Either they were abused (physically or sexually or verbally or some combination), or what have you. Is it horrible? Yes. Did they deserve it? No. Did it affect how they turn out? Yes. But most of them still know that plunging a knife into someone is wrong. Unless they are really detached from reality.

He knows damn well what he is doing, just as Trump does. For them, the way to stay “relevant” is to keep yourself in the news. Do outrageous things because that’s what this world soaks up like a sponge. They don’t have to be right, they don’t have to be moral, they just have to keep generating headlines.

CA says:

Oh, Scrapple, my WB bestie. You know I agree with you most of the time–today is no different.

I don’t get the over demonizing of Republicans, conservatives or Tumpers. I get challenging them and pushing back on their direction for the country. I do not agree with them on 99 percent of their policies, but I hate this society that we have created where politics have become a sporting event…are you a Pat’s or Eagles fan? Politics and people are so much more complicated than that. There are tons of my fellow Democrats who I find appalling. The “black church” has been a regular opponent to gay rights, but they are all staunch Democrats. I don’t see the pitchforks from liberals coming for them the way they do for white christian evangelicals.

Poor undereducated white men are freaked the fuck out–welcome to the world with the rest of people I say to them. They are feeling the leveling of the playing field and the loss of their privilege. And those same men who are gay, are happy to place their sexuality to the wayside to manage their loss.

Jasper Taft says:

This discussion is getting too long and nauseating. Look, you two need to realize that you probably aren’t going to find a lot of pro-Republican posts on a forum about gay pornography. If Republicans had it their way, homosexuality as well as pornography altogether would be extinct. Oh, but we are the bad guys because we take issue with that.

What the hell ever.

Jasper Taft says:

I’m just explaining to you that your posts about this topic probably aren’t going to get a lot of mileage here. Do you think there are any people like you on the The_Donald subreddit talking about how great democrats are IRL and how they wish everyone would get along and sing “cumbaya” around the campfire? NOT!

*I* misinterpret comments? ORLY? Did you not see that part where I said I had Republican friends and family? I will be friends with just about anyone that wants to be my friend.

There are a lot of things I like about this forum. There are a lot of people I like here. But there are also a number of insane, hostile trolls. This is a place where people, not to mention entire websites catering to the gay public, are accused of being “homophobic” and “racist” with great frequency, not to mention the sheer amount of rank speculation that goes on here. This is also a place where some view straight sex as borderline evil.

My point is, if you came here for a polite, rational discussion about politics with people representing a broad range of views, you have probably come to the wrong place.