SeanCody: Frankie Fucks Chris

trumn10 says:

It’s hard to be worse than these guys together, though everything at SC is just bad. I feel sorry for SC subscribers, if they accidentally view this horrid scene.

John Doe says:

Most people here don’t sub and the ones that do deserve what they get.

Scrapple says:

There are a lot of specific problems with the word itself. Like most words referring to ethnicity, its original usage was not used in a flattering manner. I’m sure you know what minstrel shows are. In the olden days (and even today) Black people were portrayed with these exaggerated, bestial features. One of those exaggerated features had to do with skin color. That’s how blackface came about. Using the term “ebony” was a verbal way of disparaging Black people. Same way with other slurs like the one beginning with a ‘D’ or the compound word, “t-baby.” The reason Ebony magazine took on that name is because the magazine was created to combat stereotypes about Black people by highlighting their achievements. They took a word which had been used as a tool of oppression and tried to take power over it. The same thing happened with the word Negro, although that word is still controversial, to the point that the NAACP still has debates about whether its name should be changed. As is the case with most words, things change. Calling someone colored is considered an insult. Saying someone is a “person of color” isn’t. It’s the same reason why it’s no longer acceptable to refer to Asian people with as the ‘O’ word.

With respect to porn, ebony has another connotation. It is mainly used as a way to fetishize Black women. That’s how straight porn classifies scenes with Black women: Ebony Porn. “Black” is usually reserved for scenes with Black men. The thinking is that “Ebony” sounds more exotic and “Black” sounds more hard. So when SC continues to use that term, they are fetishizing their Black models.

Lastly, the issue with the term is it devalues the models it refers to. Landon can’t just be a cutie. He has to be an Ebony cutie. Chris can’t be a hunk. He has to be an Ebony hunk. These models aren’t allowed to have an identity outside of their ethnicity. They have to be ebony. Or tan. Or whatever. Meanwhile the Caucasian models are simply allowed to be. Their desirability or acceptability as a sexual partner has nothing to do with their skin color or ethnicity. How often have they referenced Sean’s skin color? Blake? Kurt? How silly would it sound if every Caucasian model was introduced as “Ivory cutie?” It would never happen. Think about it in real world terms. How would it look if you had a non-White friend, and every time you introduced him or her to someone you said “Here’s my Black friend so and so?” Or “This is my good Asian buddy _____.” People don’t do that because it’s inappropriate. There’s no reason to classify people like that. Even if SC’s writeups were calling these men “Black cuties” it would still be fucked up, because they’re only singling out a specific group of people.

Scrapple says:

The “other” issue was important to bring up, so thank you. It’s one of the reasons why you’d never see a site in the vein of Corbin Fisher call a model of color “All American” or even “boy/guy next door.”

MisterB says:

The thoughts that came to my mind when I read your post is that people of color have so many different skin shades, from barely brown at all, to darkest dark. And within those many shade variants there are also many hue variants, from copper to cinnamon to nutmeg, etc. White people are basically just light skinned or sun tanned. There are shade and hue variants, but not so easily noticed by most eyes. Our skin color just looks rather the same to one another and (I suspect) to people of color as well. It’s rather like when you go to a paint store and look at the shades of white. You can barely see any difference to the point you think, “what difference does it make? Any white will do”. But that is not the case with the color brown. There are many variants and it does make a difference which color of brown paint or stain you choose. So, because our eyes easily see the shade and hue variants in brown skin the impulse in some is to acknowledge that in some way, intending to be complimentary when describing a person of color. Does Chris feel insulted being referred to as an Ebony Hunk? I don’t know. I would have to ask him. I wonder how he feels being HATEFULLY referred to as Mega Mind, ugly and Phallic Head. I wonder…but I think I might know.

MisterB says:

I am not on a crusade over a word, and you lost me at humility. I simply replied to other opinions about the word EBONY. If you do not agree with my opinion that does not make me wrong, it just makes you in disagreement with me and that is more than fine. We can be in disagreement over something as minor as that word and not be at war. To me the beautiful sounding word “ebony” tickles the imagination and conjures up images of riches, elegance and nobility. I see something like Wakanda. Perhaps Chris does not mind at all being described as an Ebony Hunk. Maybe he likes it. You don’t know. But I think we all can agree that it is unlikely he likes being referred to as ugly, Phallic Head and Mega Mind. As I have written before, and I know I am right on this, more harm is done than good when BIG things are made out of small things in the name of racial justice. The appearance of never-being-satisfied pettiness then occurs and White Folks throw up their hands in dismay and annoyance. My point is the word EBONY, particularly because of the magazine, is used now as metaphorically as the word Black. It is an all inclusive word for people of color. It is not the literal definition of itself any longer. Halle Berry could be on the cover of EBONY one month, and Viola Davis the next as representatives of the EBONY Community.

MisterB says:

This is the twisting into a pretzel that I wrote about. I wrote, “the APPEARANCE of never-being-satisfied pettiness”. I did not write your twisted interpretation of what I wrote; that you are now off and running with so very dramatically. Every action causes a reaction. Cause and effect. There are MAJOR issues that need to be dealt with, like the one that Stacey Abrams is working so tirelessly on, which is undoing the ways used to suppress the Black vote. There are many BIG issues that reasonable minded people need to be swayed into understanding they should make room for in their lives, like the targeting of the Black community by police: the broken school systems in the inner cities and in poor Black Communities and the financial boost that Black Communities need because of the poverty that racism put them into and keeps them stuck in. And on and on and on. A societal change of conscience needs to occur towards the Black Community that reasonable minded people need to be swayed into making by carefully educating them in a way that will bring them there. Pettiness is a turn off and a disruption to those efforts, and conspiracy theories need to be avoided by all. Offer up a speculation and conspiracy theory and IDLE and MEDDLING minds will then go into overdrive moving them along and adding to them, as in evidence here. If I were a person of color I would LOVE being known as an Ebony Hunk. Even better, an Ebony Prince. That is my truth, and I have not found any (and I have looked) Black opposition to that word. In fact, because of the magazine that word has been fully embraced into the fabric of the Black Community. ONLY HERE is it being turned into an “ugly” and “insulting” word. I can think of nothing else I need to say on this topic.

MisterB says:

My mind is no longer on this topic so I just did not comprehend the first part of your post. It was all just a bunch of words that I read hurriedly and did not want to piece together. I think an accusation or two were there, but I don’t want to re-read it to check it out. In the last part of your post I see you want me to SPECULATE about SC. I will tell you want we KNOW. We KNOW SC hires people of color. Most have not returned and those who do are VICIOUSLY insulted. A really attractive newbie, who is a man of color, was in an update about 2 months ago, Shane. Will he return? We KNOW that if a person of color wants to return that SC will film a video with him, to then be VICIOUSLY attacked. Because we KNOW that SC hires people of color I feel comfortable guessing that not many apply. If they did they would be hired since we KNOW that SC hires people of color. Not many White men apply either, evidently.

Because I barely read the introductions I traveled back in time to see if SC routinely used the term ebony. Chris-YES Asher-NO Shane-NO Asher-NO Ace-YES Chris-YES Asher-NO Landon-YES Ace-YES Chris-Yes Asher-NO Aleck-NO Asher-NO Landon-YES Ace & Chris-NO NO Landon-NO Asher-NO Ernie-NO Chris-NO Chris-NO Maddox- NO Asher-NO. I did this hurriedly and may have missed some but I counted that a person of color was used 22 times this past year and 7 times the word ebony was used. In some cases skin color was not mentioned at all. So you might want to rethink the use of your word “repeadedly”.

Now I will tell you why I personally would want to acknowledge and compliment dark skin. I think it is BEAUTIFUL, and there are so many different shades and hues. White skin is just white or tanned. What can you say? But I get that I should perhaps make sure it is okay with the performer if I in some way gush over his skin color. I personally can not imagine someone being offended by the term Ebony, but it seems I should make sure first.

MisterB says:

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CA says:

As a white man, I’ve found it most important to stop and listen in circumstances such as this. What we can not have, are white people telling people of color how they should feel or ask them to reconsider why they feel a particular way. What we can not have, are men telling women how they should feel or ask them to reconsider why they feel a particular way. That is a full stop, period.

From my time knowing you here on WB, I know you aren’t coming from a place of disregard or disrespect and attempting to trying and engage in a dialogue, but your technique raises the guard of a person who likely has felt unheard their entire lives. Questioning the feelings of a marginalized group is offensive. I am offended by your comments as a white man. They are tone deaf and I can tell you aren’t listening. You are inserting your experiences…which are quite frankly irrelevant on this topic.

It is our role as allies of people of color to support. You support by listening, asking questions to better understand a persons position, and advocating for their voice at the table. It is not our job to question why they are offended and defending the offense.

Again, I do not presume you come from a bad place, but that does not then forgive your ignorance on a subject. I hope you take these comments in reflection and you do not become defensive to them.

markjohnson22 says:

FYI: We don’t call ourselves the Brown community or the Ebony community.

The only reason I point out your errors is because I have been hoping that you’d realize that you are really often wrong about these things. So instead of launching into a defense–or worse–an educational lecture on Ebony Magazine or your favorite Congresspeople or TV programming, you might realize that the people that you are arguing with know more about this particular topic than you do.

I trust your knowledge on hairdressing, but your knowledge on American racism is thin enough that you should say far less on the topic than you do. Or, at the very least, you shouldn’t take the tone of informing Black people about how to live in and analyze a racist society. We already know. Whereas you don’t even know who sang “Ebony and Ivory” or what we call ourselves. Stand down. We got this.

CA says:

If you just want to be right on this topic, then I can not convince you otherwise. You are 100 percent not listening, you are defending yourself and that feels more important to you than learning something.

While you can list every important modern thinker on the subject of race in America, they do not speak for every person in their community. Therefore, they can not be your rationale for pushing back on a marginalized persons feels and question why they feel some kinda way about race topics.

YOU DO NOT GET TO HAVE AN OPINION ON HOW A BROWN PERSON SHOULD FEEL ABOUT RACE ISSUES AND WHAT WORDS THEY INDIVIDUALLY FIND OFFENSIVE.

That is not up for debate. You can discuss race in America. You can discuss many of the ideas you’ve listed, but you can’t then insert, that you don’t think particular words or ideas should be offensive.

Straight people can discuss issues surrounding gay men and I am there for the conversation, but if some straight 20 year old kid tells me that I can’t be offended by him flippantly calling his fraternity brother “gay” as a way of mocking him…then I am going to have a problem. I don’t care if Mayor Pete comes out tomorrow and says, he’s not offended by the comment of the 20 year old, because I am not Mayor Pete and I am offended.

That sir, is the example of why you have a problem in your rhetoric on this topic. You should stay in your lane while defending SC models by attacking those who make fun of models head sizes, but you’re out of line to defend words interpreted as offensive.

MisterB says:

I like you and do not want to be at war with you. Janet Mock taught me a few years ago that us White Folks who are firm supporters of racial justice and of much needed social mending need to stop pretending to ourselves that we can fully understand the emotional and mental impact of racism upon those who were and are effected by it daily, whose psyche becomes shaped by it. We need to accept that we can’t fully understand and not think that we possibly can, and then go on from there. Otherwise, we can be an annoyance and do more harm than good. The other side of this is that those who have had to endure racism need to keep in mind that those who have not can never fully understand and therefore not get frustrated or angry or vindictive because we can’t do what we can’t do. We can listen and inwardly connect with those circumstances in our own lives, past or present, that can help increase our empathy, but we can’t fully understand on a visceral level. That is the simple truth that we must move on with. So how do we move on…together? The effects of racism will NEVER end if we do not work that out. What I needed to do is seek for whether the displeasure voiced HERE about the word Ebony is an issue beyond HERE. I NEEDED to know if is a personal issue or a broader issue. If it is a broader issue I did not want to be ignorant about that. I can not find that it is any sort of an issue beyond HERE. Ebony magazine caused both the appreciation of, and the ownership of that word by the Black Community and I see that as a fact being treated as an Inconvenient Truth HERE.

As to the Mayor Pete thing: SC did not MOCK Chris by referring to him as an Ebony Hunk, unless we are to think SC sees him as “ugly…Phallic Head…Mega Mind,” and called him a hunk sarcastically. He is so sweetly cute to me that I can’t imagine that being the scenario. The word Ebony identified the performer named Chris as the man with the brown skin. Because of EBONY magazine that word is all inclusive of every shade of brown skin, from Halle Berry to Viola Davis. If the performer named Chris is identified as being the man with the brown skin, that then means the other man, Frankie, is the White guy. So, what SC basically did was announce: “hey guys! We have an INTERRACIAL scene for you and this is who is who.” To see it otherwise is perhaps the difference between someone who has lived with racism pressing upon him and someone who has not. Those who personally KNOW racism seem to sometimes look suspiciously at things through that lens only, and decide that is that. I see most situations as having complexities to them, with the tentacles of racism definitely there throughout almost the entirety of our social structure to varying degrees, but I want to get all the facts and consider varying possibilities and decide upon probable INTENT.

Scrapple says:

Thank you, again. It takes a huge ego to tell a specific group of people “Your opinion is invalid, because I know your history better than you do from the books I’ve read and the names I drop, therefore your concerns are meaningless.” Nobody has to be an ally to an oppressed, marginalized or misrepresented group (which if you’re part of the non-hetero community, you have or will be in this camp at some point). But if you are going to wave that ally flag, your actions have to match your words. You’re not an ally to the Black community if you throw out racial slurs. You’re not an ally if you refer to every non-White person as having “dark” skin. You’re not an ally if you make jokes and excuses about people walking around with hate symbols tatted on their body. You’re not an ally if you think consistently identifying non-White people by their ethnicity or skin color is okay. You are most certainly not an ally if you think a problematic racial descriptor is okay, because it makes you think of fictional people in a fictional country. Black Panther was not a documentary.

You’re a better person than I am for thinking he’s actually coming from a place of caring. He has disregarded these conversations time after time. Disregarded and deflected. You can still be well-read and ignorant, which is exactly the case here.

Scrapple says:

I still don’t get how someone who goes on about a documentary about Reconstruction doesn’t take issue with people walking around with tats of the confederate flag. The whole ebony thing is absolutely ridiculous. I challenge anyone reading this who may think otherwise to spend a single day calling every non-White person they come in contact with “ebony ____” and see how that goes over. But what do you expect from someone who still thinks Asher is both Black and dark-skinned?

I must’ve missed that vacuum comment. Now, I’m not going to say a White person telling a person of color to “go vacuum” during a conversation about race is sketchy. But, don’t think I didn’t notice that for all of his “I Know Black People!” talk, he still chose to end his post to you with a gif of a monkey. No need to wonder why…

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Miloš Del Rey says:

Are the scenes this shitty lately because they gotta keep you on payroll? Should be expensive. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b55bee5f04a003662b25e4cc82ba4e2352cd14b4e60a7ed5b76adffb006b79af.jpg